Re: Web Browser Argument

**David B** Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:01 pm

Nighthawk0973 wrote:you mean or less XD

Woah! I missed that! I was going to write more or less! That was a typo!

lol!

**Nighthawk0973** Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:39 pm

lol

12:39, done with school Very Happy

**David B** Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:40 pm

Nighthawk0973 wrote:lol

12:39, done with school

Like I said, I REALLY envy your schedule. I wish I could get home around that time. I just got home about a half-hour ago.

The reason I wasn't online last nice is because my dad brought me an unexpected suprise.: Somebody he knows was throwing out their laptop because it is obsolete, and they wanted a new one. My dad asked them if he could have it, and now he has given it to me to keep. It is obsolete, so it doesn't sound that good, but to me, never having my own laptop, I am very excited.

So, to get to the point, I wasn't online last night very long because as soon as I finished with my homework, I went to work fdisking.

legolizard wrote:Nighthawk are you using Win7? You see IE9 was designed for Win7 and is thus very fast on it. However on vista/XP it is painfully slow.

This is IE 8 on my old computer...

EDIT :BLARGH! Have to find computer.....

Also...you said that IE9 is painfully slow on Vista/XP. Do you mean that they made IE9 compatible with Windows XP now? Before I switched to Firefox, I tried installing IE9 on my computer, and here is what I got a message saying that "IE9 is not compatible with [Windows XP]."

**Nighthawk0973** Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:55 pm

your own laptop!!!! lucky. I swear though, when I'm older I'm gonna have a "den" with 2 windows computers, 1 mac (for iOS dev ;D) a laptop for on the go, and than I'll say, welp, gotta go to work, and I'll go to that room Very Happy

That would be an epic job, developing games...

**David B** Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:00 pm

Nighthawk0973 wrote:your own laptop!!!! lucky. I swear though, when I'm older I'm gonna have a "den" with 2 windows computers, 1 mac (for iOS dev ;D) a laptop for on the go, and than I'll say, welp, gotta go to work, and I'll go to that room

That would be an epic job, developing games...

Like I said, the laptop is obsolete, and is not new, but I have always wanted a lap top, and now I have one!

**legolizard** Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 pm

David B wrote:
legolizard wrote:Nighthawk are you using Win7? You see IE9 was designed for Win7 and is thus very fast on it. However on vista/XP it is painfully slow.

This is IE 8 on my old computer...

EDIT :BLARGH! Have to find computer.....

Also...you said that IE9 is painfully slow on Vista/XP. Do you mean that they made IE9 compatible with Windows XP now? Before I switched to Firefox, I tried installing IE9 on my computer, and here is what I got a message saying that "IE9 is not compatible with [Windows XP]."

Yeah mistake on my part it only works on Win7/Vista D:

**David B** Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:24 am

legolizard wrote:Yeah mistake on my part it only works on Win7/Vista D:

I wish you lied in that post. Although I am more of a Firefox guy, I really would like to try IE9, but I can't because I am using Windows XP.

**Nighthawk0973** Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:49 pm

I wouldn't use that program. I've heard bad reviews about it. Firefox 5 got better than it XD

**David B** Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:17 pm

Nighthawk0973 wrote:I've heard bad reviews about it. XD

Me too. Most of the people don't like the fact that it isn't XP compatible, so they stopped using IE all together. :-) ;-)

**Nighthawk0973** Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:21 am

lol

Of course I'd ditch XP for win 7 any day. Doesn't mean I'll use IE again.

Looking back I realize how this all started: I mentioned that I always open a tab in IE and of course, that got DB all riled up, and than lego joined in on the fun ;p

I've noticed these forums are starting to die a bit when it comes to activity. That's because (don't ask me why, I forgot) all the posts on all the sub forums are marked read on mine, and since it's not marked unread I'm not replying. So that means me and DB aren't posting back and forth anymore Very Happy

Could definately use new means of advertisement DB, Alice forums just aren't cutting it. I don't know what you'll do, but maybe we could make a thread and brainstorm ideas. I'm getting kinda lonely here.... Smile

**legolizard** Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:39 am

Nighthawk0973 wrote:lol

I've noticed these forums are starting to die a bit when it comes to activity. That's because (don't ask me why, I forgot) all the posts on all the sub forums are marked read on mine, and since it's not marked unread I'm not replying. So that means me and DB aren't posting back and forth anymore

Could definately use new means of advertisement DB, Alice forums just aren't cutting it. I don't know what you'll do, but maybe we could make a thread and brainstorm ideas. I'm getting kinda lonely here....

Do you know what I think about advertising... "Advertising is legalized lying. "

Anway I belive that BEFORE we "advertise" we must first be more "on-track." For example, on the help with cin statment the thread went from cin >> to how David B. is not some crazy hacker.WHAT THE !@#$!!!! I like seeing how a conversation develops but seriously. -_-

On a unrealted note:

You know what would be a cool program to some how intergrate into a forum?

A curse word filter; don't know HTML or javascript though. D:

**David B** Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:51 am

legolizard wrote:
Nighthawk0973 wrote:lol

I've noticed these forums are starting to die a bit when it comes to activity. That's because (don't ask me why, I forgot) all the posts on all the sub forums are marked read on mine, and since it's not marked unread I'm not replying. So that means me and DB aren't posting back and forth anymore

Could definately use new means of advertisement DB, Alice forums just aren't cutting it. I don't know what you'll do, but maybe we could make a thread and brainstorm ideas. I'm getting kinda lonely here....

Do you know what I think about advertising... "Advertising is legalized lying. "

Anway I belive that BEFORE we "advertise" we must first be more "on-track." For example, on the help with cin statment the thread went from cin >> to how David B. is not some crazy hacker.WHAT THE !@#$!!!! I like seeing how a conversation develops but seriously. -_-

On a unrealted note:

You know what would be a cool program to some how intergrate into a forum?

A curse word filter; don't know HTML or javascript though. D:

Advertising is something that I am currently working on. I've submitted the PLCF to every search engine I could find (Google included).

Also, I can integrate a curse word filter, and I don't need any HTML or JavaScript to do it. My forum host has a feature that allows you to make one without HTML or JavaScript.

**Nighthawk0973** Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:51 am

yeah, it probably just installs a script made in php.

Also, you should go onto other forums and tell people about it. Sure, getting google to index your pages is swell and all but... idk maybe I'll try something today.

**David B** Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:52 am

Nighthawk0973 wrote:yeah, it probably just installs a script made in php.

Also, you should go onto other forums and tell people about it. Sure, getting google to index your pages is swell and all but... idk maybe I'll try something today.

Okay! Thanks!

**David B** Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:32 pm

I happened to come online just now, and I saw that the forum was being indexed by the Google & Bing bot.

Web Browser Argument - Page 2 Who_is10

See a screen shot of the "Who is online?" page by clicking here.

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**Nighthawk0973** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:58 pm

What's with the google maps?

**David B** Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:33 pm

Nighthawk0973 wrote:What's with the google maps?

It shows where the people that are currently online are located.

**Beachbum111111** Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:30 pm

When it comes to a web browser, I just need speed to load the page. That is why I use google chrome.

**David B** Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:50 pm

Beachbum111111 wrote:When it comes to a web browser, I just need speed to load the page. That is why I use google chrome.

Just curious to know, when you click here, what do you see happen?

**Beachbum111111** Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:33 pm

It doesn't lag at all. All the google stuff falls down.

**David B** Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:53 am

Beachbum111111 wrote:It doesn't lag at all. All the google stuff falls down.

You mean the ads are slow?

**Beachbum111111** Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:32 pm

I didn't get any ads.

**David B** Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:36 pm

Beachbum111111 wrote:I didn't get any ads.

You didn't get any ads at the top of the page? Hmm...interesting. Can you please post a screen shot? What web browser were you using when you didn't get any ads? (I know it is in your profile, but I always like to double-check.)

**legolizard** Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:49 pm

So I was searching the Web and I found this website that underlines pretty much everything showing the strengths and weaknesses of all major web browsers. Yes it was made by Microsoft, so yeah there is problably a little bias, but I think it is still a very nice source of chock full good info, well info. that looks interesting at least(I have only a small idea on what most of it is. =\).

http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/#html5Forms

Poor Opera. pale

**David B** Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:27 pm

Based on what I could tell, all it is is just a listing of the strengths and weaknesses of different web browsers when it comes to HTML5.

Here is a fun little activity for you:

1.) go to http://html5test.com/
2.) make a post stating what web browser you were using when you did this, and post your score
3.) if possible, take a picture of the whole page with all of the extra stuff underneath the score, if that doesn't work, just copy it in

Here is what I got using the latest version of Firefox.

And although the copy and paste turned out badly, click on the spoiler, and reveal more details!

Spoiler:

Parsing rules2 Bonus points11<!DOCTYPE html> triggers standards mode HTML5 tokenizer HTML5 tree buildingHTML5 defines rules for embedding SVG and MathML inside a regular HTML document. Support for SVG and MathML is not required though, so bonus points are awarded if your browser supports embedding these two technologies.SVG in text/html MathML in text/html
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Yes ✔

Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Canvas20canvas element 2D context Text
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Video4 Bonus points21/31video element Subtitle support Poster image supportThe following tests go beyond the requirements of the HTML5 specification and are not counted towards the total score. If a browser supports one or more video codecs, two bonus points are awarded for each codec.MPEG-4 supportH.264 supportOgg Theora supportWebM support
Yes ✔
No ✘
Yes ✔

No ✘
No ✘
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Audio3 Bonus points20audio elementThe following tests go beyond the requirements of the HTML5 specification and are not counted towards the total score. If a browser supports one or more audio codecs, one bonus point is awarded for each codec.PCM audio supportMP3 supportAAC supportOgg Vorbis supportWebM support
Yes ✔

Yes ✔
No ✘
No ✘
Yes ✔
Yes ✔

Elements19/28Embedding custom non-visible dataNew or modified elementsGlobal attributes or methodshidden attribute

Yes ✔

<table><tr>Section elements<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Grouping content elements<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Text-level semantic elements<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Interactive elements<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>

Yes ✔
<table><tr>Dynamic markup insertion<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>

Forms53/98Field typesFieldsForms


<table><tr>input type=search<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=tel<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=url<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=email<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=datetime<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=date<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=month<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=week<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=time<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=datetime-local<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=number<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=range<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=color<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=checkbox<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>input type=image<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>textarea<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>select<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>fieldset<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>datalist<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>keygen<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>output<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>progress<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>meter<td>No ✘</td></tr></table>

<table><tr>Field validation<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Association of controls and forms<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Other attributes<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>CSS selectors<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Events<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>

<table><tr>Form validation<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>

User interaction34/36Drag and dropHTML editing


<table><tr>Attributes<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Events<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>

<table><tr>Editing elements<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>Editing documents<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>
<table><tr>APIs<td>Yes ✔</td></tr></table>

History and navigation5Session history
Yes ✔
Microdata0/15Microdata
No ✘
Web applications20Application Cache Custom scheme handlers Custom content handlers Custom search providers
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Security0/10Sandboxed iframe Seamless iframe
No ✘
No ✘

Related specifications

Geolocation15Geolocation
Yes ✔
WebGL9/253D context
No ✘
<table><tr>Native binary data<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>
Communication25Cross-document messaging Server-Sent EventsBoth Mozilla and Opera do support the WebSocket protocol in their latest browsers, but have disabled it due to a fundamental security issue with the protocol. Once the protocol has been updated it is expected they will re-enable this feature.WebSocket
Yes ✔
Yes ✔

Yes ✔
Files10/20FileReader API FileSystem API
Yes ✔
No ✘
Storage20Session Storage Local Storage IndexedDBThe Web SQL Database specification is no longer being updated and has been replaced by IndexedDB. Because at least 3 vendors have shipped implementations of this specification we still include it in this test.Web SQL Database
Yes ✔
Yes ✔
Yes ✔

No ✘
Workers10/15Web Workers Shared Workers
Yes ✔
No ✘
Local multimedia0/20Access the webcam
No ✘
Notifications0/10Web Notifications
No ✘
Other6Text selectionScroll into view
Yes ✔
Yes ✔

Sponsored content

No ✘
<table><tr>Native binary data<td>Partial ○</td></tr></table>